will google find me?

[John K.]

Re: will google find me?

I second that! Thank you so much, Vasilli, for the clarification. Believe it or not, I am getting this down, although I am more of an applied learner than an academic one (i.e. use it or lose it). Thank you!
John

[Vasili]

Re: will google find me?

If I may be so bold as to submit here with my limited qualification, reverendlisa, I suspect you and I are in the same situation; we have submitted and now we await the Google bots. The word that I am getting - from my perspective - is that Google does what Google wants to and only when Google gets around to doing it. This means even if one does everything "by the book" and submits to Google. What this all boils down to is simply waiting...

And wait, and wait until the bots come a-calling and then you will get ranked and listed by Google and all their subsidiaries (i.e. yahoo, etc.) who all use Google as their source.

Just a reminder; I trust you have submitted a site map (www.yourwebsite.com/sitemap.xml) and FTP'd that notepad doc into your public_folder domain(?) as well as a robot.txt.

This all has me in a twist as I made some errors and still have some items that need fixing before my bots knock on my website door and enter. Vasilli and the others were real helpful in pointing out some major mistakes.

Try these links to go through a checklist for compatability before you get Googled:

http://google.about.com/od/searchengineoptimization/qt/improverank.htm

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769

As I understand things, One need only submit primary pages of importance and have the robot.txt doc instruct Google to only crawl those pages of importance. This seems necessary since those pages will link directly to the less important pages that are not necessary for a search engine. I also seem to be getting lead to believe that it is vitally important to name even your images that you import as being relative to the page they are on, as well as being relative to the adjacent, body text. So, naming your imported images (bob's_cat.jpg instead of 10258.jpg) and right below that providing the proper alternate text as "bobs cat playing with a ball of yarn" and understanding that you DO NOT put keywords or lengthy blah blah text that will confuse the bots.

At the end of the day, using the BV builder is not as simple as clicking and adding items. There is no such thing as an instant website if you expect to pass the Google test and be SEO'd to the front page. Each and every item that you add must have an inter connective relevance to the items surrounding it on the page. Everything must have the correct property and HTML info to give it a solid purpose for being on the page and in that page location.

Incidentally, this skews the claim that WYSIWYG is all that! What you see is only what YOU see, but it all changes when you publish!

I suspect that WYSIWYG is misleading and does not alert the web site designer to the fact that Google Cannot See What You See If You Do Not Submit Per Google Rules (GCSWYSIYDNSPGR).

I did not know this matter-of-factly and only suspected it; my bad! Now I know. Yes, that means that the days of quickly adding a photo or image and clicking the publish button are gone, and we now must select, add, name, provide alternate text, and have in the text something about the image name or alternate text phrase or clause. Think of your web page (Both visible and invisible - meta, html, etc.) as a beautifully woven spider web; built per Google plan and specifications.

Anyways, thanks for letting me digress. This is all I know and if I am in err, I will stand down as I am corrected by the more well-versed and well-qualified experts about this forum.

Good luck, my friend.

John

Actually, John, it seems you have digsted the logic quite well indeed, and are able to use your own terminology and conversational manner in which to convey quite effectively the imperatives and compelling reasons to comply with the standards regarding Construct and Relevance, and how truly important they are when creating values to sort the worthy from the unworthy websites on the WWW ..... well done! Seems my lengthy and verbose posts might actually be of value from time to time ... [REF: POST] ...

I must point out, however, that the WYSIWYG refers to the manner in which objects and elements behave in the "workspace" of Blue Voda, in a Windows-oriented view, as opposed to what might be seen in Dreamweaver (a HTML environment), where although you see 'objects' they are not the exact size or exact placement as will be published as it is in Blue Voda: the code is what actually creates the published version, even though it is pulling from pre-defined resources (i.e. images with sizes preset). Blue Voda shows the most exact version to the published version possible, hence "WYSIWYG."

[reverendlisa]

Re: will google find me?

Thank you John, you have in fact described some of the things I have not done. I guess I will have to do some reworking again. Thank you for taking the time to reply. Rev. Lisa

[John K.]

Re: will google find me?

If I may be so bold as to submit here with my limited qualification, reverendlisa, I suspect you and I are in the same situation; we have submitted and now we await the Google bots. The word that I am getting - from my perspective - is that Google does what Google wants to and only when Google gets around to doing it. This means even if one does everything "by the book" and submits to Google. What this all boils down to is simply waiting...

And wait, and wait until the bots come a-calling and then you will get ranked and listed by Google and all their subsidiaries (i.e. yahoo, etc.) who all use Google as their source.

Just a reminder; I trust you have submitted a site map (www.yourwebsite.com/sitemap.xml) and FTP'd that notepad doc into your public_folder domain(?) as well as a robot.txt.

This all has me in a twist as I made some errors and still have some items that need fixing before my bots knock on my website door and enter. Vasilli and the others were real helpful in pointing out some major mistakes.

Try these links to go through a checklist for compatability before you get Googled:

http://google.about.com/od/searchengineoptimization/qt/improverank.htm

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769

As I understand things, One need only submit primary pages of importance and have the robot.txt doc instruct Google to only crawl those pages of importance. This seems necessary since those pages will link directly to the less important pages that are not necessary for a search engine. I also seem to be getting lead to believe that it is vitally important to name even your images that you import as being relative to the page they are on, as well as being relative to the adjacent, body text. So, naming your imported images (bob's_cat.jpg instead of 10258.jpg) and right below that providing the proper alternate text as "bobs cat playing with a ball of yarn" and understanding that you DO NOT put keywords or lengthy blah blah text that will confuse the bots.

At the end of the day, using the BV builder is not as simple as clicking and adding items. There is no such thing as an instant website if you expect to pass the Google test and be SEO'd to the front page. Each and every item that you add must have an inter connective relevance to the items surrounding it on the page. Everything must have the correct property and HTML info to give it a solid purpose for being on the page and in that page location.

Incidentally, this skews the claim that WYSIWYG is all that! What you see is only what YOU see, but it all changes when you publish!

I suspect that WYSIWYG is misleading and does not alert the web site designer to the fact that Google Cannot See What You See If You Do Not Submit Per Google Rules (GCSWYSIYDNSPGR).

I did not know this matter-of-factly and only suspected it; my bad! Now I know. Yes, that means that the days of quickly adding a photo or image and clicking the publish button are gone, and we now must select, add, name, provide alternate text, and have in the text something about the image name or alternate text phrase or clause. Think of your web page (Both visible and invisible - meta, html, etc.) as a beautifully woven spider web; built per Google plan and specifications.

Anyways, thanks for letting me digress. This is all I know and if I am in err, I will stand down as I am corrected by the more well-versed and well-qualified experts about this forum.

Good luck, my friend.

John

[reverendlisa]

Re: will google find me? Well it has not found me.

I have purchased Voda Hits, I have even used the analysis tool to evaluate my searchabililty. But as of yet, even if you type in my website name

thereverendlisa.com

nothing, although google pulls up every craigslist ad that I have. And to date that is the only way people are finding me.

I have tried to clean up my meta tags, but .... Suggestions are welcom.

Reverend Lisa

[par5ntoo]

Re: will google find me?

Great read thanks!!!!

[John K.]

Re: will google find me?

Hello Karen, and thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Yes, I concur that to explain step-by-step would take too long, and covering all of the variable angles to any one solution (let alone multiple solutions) would be near impossible.

Yet to not come across as hijacking this thread, I did in fact use a menu bar and list all of my main pages in it and then added it to all of my pages at the bottom.

Then, when I again used the BV sitemap crawler, I was content to see all of my pages pop up (that I had placed that menu bar on). SO, I then made my sitemap and saved the text in notepad as UTF8 and FTP'd it into my public_html folder.

I then signed up with Google Webmaster Tools and added (submitted?) my site + /sitemap.xml and and now stand at ready to see my site in three weeks to 6 months, or whenever the Google bots come a-callin.

I also signed on to Google Adsense and put a robot text into same FTP folder as well as delete from Google some old pages that are showing up but as 404 errors (I had changed my page naming system and these seemed to have been crawled and were showing up as ghost pages). Google says it is okay to delete these ghost pages only if they are showing as 404's. We'll see.

Anyways, this is a first for me and getting to this point is something I never thought I would be doing, so it is definitely an achievement.

I will submit my website after this post for the masses to review and critique. I certainly hope that my methods are per Google specifications.

Thank you Karen for your time and I sincerely do value your input as well as all the others who are too many to list, yet thought of kindly.

John

[Karen Mac]

Re: will google find me?

John,

Sometimes vague answers are because the details take hours to explain, other times .. we are busy, and try to get the needed info out and go... Sometimes theres just no way to put it in terms that a newbie understands so they must do the background work first.

Organizing a library would also take hundreds of hours nobody here has. But its a good idea.

Karen

[John K.]

Re: will google find me?

Interesting information! A bit confusing because certain answers cater to different styles of SEO management and the respective timeliness of submissions, as well as the reasons for the "do this" and "do not do that". I am still trying to make sense of it all.

I am on BV11 and I verify my links and they all show up okay. I then webcrwl my site using the sitemap generator and the BV Sitemap Generator only picks up on the text links from my page. Apparently the page links in my dropdown menu are not being read.

I will make a repeat menu at the bottom of each page (menu bar) and see if the sitemap generator crawls all my main pages showing on my dropdown menu on the top of my page.

There are too many questions (IMHO) not clearly asked and difficult to find using a search query due to non-relative thread titles like "Help me!" and "I need to know something", not enough clear answers answers from the ones who offer help (almost like a need to know feed that give a portion of an answer but not the comprehensive anser), and no clear categories to collect all relevant questions and answers into respective groups. Additionally, many of the problems that well-read BV users ask are not being comprehensively addressed in tutorials (i.e. sitemaps, html code, FTP, HTML codes to use when building to make things better such as the 1.5 line-spacing code, the no-cache code, etc.) Why aren't these things all collected together but rather scattered throughout the thousands of posts and one must make an exact search word or phrase to get near that useful information, and then sift through hundreds of ignorant posts that are made because a person did not use the tutorials or read-me files. Instead they jump the gun and start threads to ask how to insert a background, or how to download a file into their hard drive. Yeesh!

And regarding the vague and ambiguous responses; I almost get the feeling that we are not to be too informed or else we become the competition of the very people helping us, and so we are spared from the clear answers and only given overly reserved answers. I understand this, and say this respectfully, but I also feel that it is necessary for me to be honest with my feelings that I have since I have been viewing and contributing from the start. I do not post much because I am a "do-it-yourself-er" and therefore feel that when I do choose to ask for help, that my questions perhaps carry a bit more consideration because of the due diligence I have given to all the available resources, and the degree of difficulty extracting those resources because of the reasons listed above.

Anyways, sorry, but I had to get that out! I have been at this for 8 months and frequently get a knot in my gut when I read the over frequent posts that clutter up this forum, and could be avoided if the user simply did some READING/Vid Watching and then experiment a bit instead of posting the most simplest of Q&A queries and clearly demonstrating to the world that they did not do their homework and are asking "where is the chair?" that thay are sitting on.

I understand the factors that prevent the admins and volunteers from getting to every post, yet I feel that a comprehensive library could be used to refer the OP the more general problems and this would clear up more time for focus on the more tedious and intricate processes of getting the best out of BV.

With kindest regards,
John

[beebrothers]

Re: will google find me?

a good teacher is also a good student...beee well

[Fruit&Veg]

Re: will google find me?

VodaHits is not free, but we do offer a one time free submission to all VodaHost customers.
Please open a support ticket to request this service.

Thats new to me! Should add this info on the homepage as a extra perk.

[skoorbw]

Re: will google find me?

wow
really this has been a really helpful read
thanks

[Karen Mac]

Re: will google find me?

You dont have to put spaces in the meta keyword tags, just a comma break. However you dont want 50 keywords either. Just 3 or 4 good keyword phrases will be more beneficial.

Karen

[CarbonTerry]

Re: will google find me?

Did the Tech resolve all of the problems?

[lilprincess]

Re: will google find me?

I had major PC problems and had a technician here trying to resolve everything. While on it he commented that I had all my Mega Tags wrong in Blue Voda and that no spaces between words are allowe - like:
Personal Assistance, Childrens Books, ...
But does it make sense to write everything together?! I would never search for something like this:
PersonalAssistance,Children'sBooks,Whateverelse
I'd like to get it right, since my page really IS way back in google, but how do I do it?
Thanks a lot (it's only been a year since I started LOL)!
Claudia
www.gruy.biz